Telza - "R. Moshe Rivkas" - Benyamin Rivlin (1971) טלצה - "ר' משה רבקש" - בנימין ריבלין <//title> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-8-I"> <meta name="description" content="Telza, mother of R' Moshe Rivkas (Beer Hagola), was she granddaughter of Saul Wahl ? "> <meta name="keywords" content="טלצה (טעלצא) , אמו של ר' משה רבקש (באר הגולה), האם היתה נכדת שאול וואהל ? י "> <link rel="StyleSheet" href="../Twersky/Twersky-page.css" type="text/css" media="screen"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" background="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" vlink="#FF20FF" border-color="#FFFFFF" margin-top="0px" margin-bottom="0px" padding-top="0px" padding-bottom="0px" border-left="0px" border-right="0px" border-top="0px" border-bottom="0px" > <div id="top">  <table border=0 frame=void rules=none width=800px cellpadding=0 cellspacing=1> <tr> <td width=30> </td><td align=left> <a class="toplink" href="./index.html" >Back to Rivlin chart</a> </td> <td align=left> <td align=right> </td> </td></tr> </table> <img src="../img/dot_clear.gif" height=15 align=top> <img src="../img/dot_clear.gif" width=5 align=left valign=top>  <TABLE bgcolor="#FFFFFF" BORDER=0 frame=void rules=none WIDTH=700px CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0> <tr height=40px width=700px><td colspan=4></td> </tr><tr height=42px text-align=center width=700px> <td width=150px> </td><td height=30px width=10px bgcolor=#EEEEEF> </td><td height=60px width=200px align=center text-align=center bgcolor=#EEEEEF style="align: center; text-align: center; color: #800505; background: #EEEEEF;font-family: Arial; font-size: 22px; font-weight: 800;">Telza (Teltsa) </td><td height=42px width=200px align=center text-align=center bgcolor=#EEEEEF style="align: center; text-align: center; color: #800505; background: #EEEEEF;font-family: Arial; font-size: 24px; font-weight: 800;">(טלצה (טעלצא </td><td height=30px width=10px bgcolor=#EEEEEF> </td><td width=150px bgcolor=#FFFFFF> </td></tr> <tr height=42px text-align=center width=700px> <td width=150px> </td><td height=30px width=10px bgcolor=#EEEEEF> </td><td height=30px width=200px align=center text-align=left bgcolor=#EEEEEF style="align: left; text-align: left; color: #800505; background: #EEEEEF;font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-weight: 500;">Was she granddaugter of Saul Wahl, grandson of Maharam ? </td><td height=30px width=200px align=center text-align=center bgcolor=#EEEEEF style="align: right; text-align: right; color: #800505; background: #EEEEEF;font-family: Arial; font-size: 17px; font-weight: 600;"> האם היתה נכדתו של שאול וואהל, נכדו של מהר"ם מפדובה </td><td height=30px width=10px bgcolor=#EEEEEF> </td><td width=150px bgcolor=#FFFFFF> </td></tr> <tr height=10px> <td width=150px> </td><td height=10px colspan=4 bgcolor=#EEEEEF> </td><td width=150px bgcolor=#FFFFFF> </tr> <tr height=10px> </tr> </table>  <img src="../img/dot_clear.gif" vspace=25 align=top>  <table class="text-size-18" border=0 frame=void rules=none width=800px cellpadding=4 cellspacing=4> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left class="text-size-18" > The book "R' Moshe Rivkas" by Benyamin Rivlin (Jerusalem 1971), asserts that Telza, mother of R' Moshe Rivkas, was a descendant of Saul Wahl. </td><td width=50></td> </tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> In what might appear to be the same paragraph, R' Moshe Rivkas is quoted from his introduction to his work "Be'er Ha'gola" on "Shulchan Aruch" (Amsterdam 1661), as follows: </td><td width=50></td> </tr> <tr height=10px></tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> <img src="./BenyaminRivlin-Telza-short.jpg" width=700px align=left valign=top> </td><td width=50></td> </tr> <tr height=20px><td colspan=3></td></tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> In the first 5 lines above, R' Moshe Rivkas tells about his father, R' Naphtali Hirsh Sofer. </td><td width=50></td> </tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> The last three lines, which refer to Telza, R' Naphtali Hirsh Sofer's wife, are in fact <b><i>Benyamin Rivlin's own words</i></b>, without attribution to any source. They are not part of the quote from R' Moshe Rivkas. </tr> <tr height=25px><td colspan=3></td></tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> The excerpt below is from the introduction to "Beer HaGola", printed in a recent edition of "Shulchan Aruch". </td><td width=50></td> </tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> It contains the paragraph quoted by Rivlin, beginning with יצק מים ושימש" </tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> The lines about Telza are not there. </td><td width=50></td> </tr> <tr height=15px></tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> <img src="./BeerHaGola-short.jpg" width=700px align=left valign=top> </td><td width=50></td> </tr> <tr height=20px><td colspan=3></td></tr> <tr> <td width=50> </td><td width=700 align=left> Furthermore, "Sefer HaYachas LeMishpachat Rivlin" by Eliezer Rivlin (1940), lists the lineage of R. Moshe Rivkas, his father R. Naphtali Hirsh, and his father R. 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